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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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fear and the oldest and strongest type

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board as we begin

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this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained

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here on the paranormal king radio

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network i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you within a canon shot

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of historic gettysburg pennsylvania

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thank you for joining me

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now before we begin with our guest i

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just want to do a brief

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rundown on an account i received about a

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where amanda's daughter were fossil

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hunting

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in the flatlands east davis mountains in

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when they encountered four small hairy

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so i recently received the phone call

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from a witness who i'll

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call ri who lives in west texas he and

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his daughter had an

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encounter with these four small unknown

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hominids during a recent excursion

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in the six second week of june 2020

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now ri and his daughters share a hobby

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they enjoy searching for fossils

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native arrowheads and other artifacts

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this particular day they were

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searching an area approximately four

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miles south of fort stockton texas in

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the flatlands adjacent to the davis

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mountains

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now they had been out for a few hours

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when his daughter mentioned that

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something was following them

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so all right turned around he noticed

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four small upright

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hair-covered beings scattering as he

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looked in their direction

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now he was confused as to what these

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and that they ranged from two to three

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foot in height

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they had dark fur and it reminded them

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what people described as bigfoot but

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much smaller

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so for about an hour these beings would

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gather back into a group and continue

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following rni and uh his daughter has a

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each time i would

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turn to look at them they would quickly

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scatter and attempt to hide

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now he um he asked me if i thought

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that he should attempt to capture one

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and i tried to dissuade him from doing

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that and recommended that i'd have an

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investigator in the area

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talk to him first so i contacted an

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affiliate of fans of manchester 14

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research

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and uh she did she contacted ri

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and he's agreed to take her and another

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investigator to the location so if we

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update on that i will definitely let it

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be known to y'all

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so tonight i welcome paranormal

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researchers authors timothy renner and

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joshua cutchen

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to arcane radio now tim and josh

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recently published

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where the footprints and high strangest

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in the bigfoot phenomena vol

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1 folklore now in this book

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they carefully examined not only the

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intersection of the harry

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ape man with global folklore of

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poltergeist fairies extraterrestrials

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magic witches ghost archetype women in

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but also the question of the fundamental

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assumptions underlying contemporary

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cryptogeological beliefs surrounding

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so guys welcome to the show thanks for

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thanks for having us alan yeah it's a

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pleasure

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i've known you guys god i know you guys

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a little well

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quite frankly i met josh when i was on

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coast to coast one night he was the

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uh i met tim after he wrote his first

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and i got in contact with him

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and we're still doing this what's wrong

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with us i don't know

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yeah i know it is i mean it's an it it's

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interesting

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but you know i you know tim works with

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our group now and of course

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tim doesn't that far from you but we

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live about 15 miles from each other

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something like that

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yeah as the crow flies yeah so um

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yeah we kind of you know you got to say

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this area is pretty crazy i mean there's

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a lot of stuff that goes on around here

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and uh beautiful area for this oh it is

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but it's just nuts

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yeah jealous down here jealous

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now when i read your book i said

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i thought the beginning where you

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george kowalski quasics

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incident on the night of october 25th

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just outside of uniontown fayette county

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pennsylvania

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that's an incident most of us

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know fairly well as old-timers um i just

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thought it was interesting you guys

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started the book off with that

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for those that don't know about that

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incident why don't you uh describe what

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oh it's a wonderful case and the the

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reason we used it

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as the first case of you know to start

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meetings of course talking about what

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the book was going to be what it was

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etc and at some point very early in the

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process we decided

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if there's one case we had to choose to

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sort of best represent

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the weirdness that surrounds bigfoot it

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would be that case from from 1973

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fayette county

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so it starts out with a ufo

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sighting and uh a bunch of different

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witnesses i mean something like 10

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different witnesses see this uh

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it's orange or red depending on on who

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you ask uh

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ball in the sky kind of hovering around

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descending into a field

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on the property of of the main witness

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his father's farm i believe it was

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and uh he and some neighbor boys get in

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his pickup truck and they

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they drive up to the field to have a

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what they see on the ground is not

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orange or red it's a

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white glowing dome and it's either

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landed on the ground or it's hovering

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suddenly notice there's these two

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bigfoot creatures walking towards them

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one was seven or so

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and they're walking in a line the taller

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ones ahead of the shorter one

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just hair covered creatures and we

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glowing because there's so many dang

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reports of bigfoot with

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different color glowing eyes that

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sometimes forget but i think they were

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yeah and uh he fires a he happens to

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have a 30 out six

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rifle with them loaded with tracer

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rounds he fires the tracer around like

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above and to the side of the the

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creature it reaches up

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catch the the round as it passed

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proceeding toward them

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that one of the kids does fire you know

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shoot it shoot it he ends up shooting

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it does not react the creature does not

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reacted he said it sounded like he was

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firing into a pond or something it was

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like made a liquid kind of plopping

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it was at that point the object

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it just blinked out just disappeared it

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they get uh scared rightfully so and

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then head back to the

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farmhouse and call the police the police

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called your friend in mind stan gordon

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who was uh out there i think i think the

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and his team are on the scene by by 1am

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the following morning so they get

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they get out there pretty quickly um

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the so i pieced this together from from

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from a book that was uh written in the

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it must have been published it was al

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barry's and ann slate's book just called

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bigfoot

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and that must have been published

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immediately after this event happened

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because i think it was published in

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so the account is in there as well and

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it's in um seth breedlove's

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chestnut ridge film and

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i think one other book so i i pieced

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together these these account the

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the most uh complete uh version of the

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account that that i could from all these

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different because they

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all these different sources seem to have

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different information in it so to my

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knowledge this is the the most complete

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in one place um but in any case the

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the witness and the cop returned to the

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area the cops said there was a

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a circle in the field that was still

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glowing where the object was it was

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bright enough to read a newspaper by

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uh they saw the creature again they've

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this time the creature charged them and

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back to the farmhouse i think stan

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the witness enters this kind of

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possessed animalistic state where he's

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running around

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and and uttering these like inhuman

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cries they were saying and his own

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father described

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it as as he thought his son was

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possessed

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by the bigfoot creatures which is a very

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interesting turn of phrase

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i think um he finally like passes out or

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falls down or something they have to

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basically help him from the field

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they hand him his glasses which had

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fallen off and not only does he not

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recognize his glasses anymore he says i

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don't need them i don't need those

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so uh you know was was his eyesight

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somehow healed or was he in some kind of

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trance state at this point it's it's

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unclear

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but uh when he was running around

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basically

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you know in this animalistic state he

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had a vision

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of this grim reaper-like figure that

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came to him and

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much like ufo contact these he was given

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you know warning

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like you hear about these contact e

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cases that you know the world's going to

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end unless mankind straightens up

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something like this

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um after the case i i mean after the

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the sighting about two weeks later these

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two men show up at this place

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they are one of them is dressed in like

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an air force uniform and others in a

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suit

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they either outright say or at least

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suggest

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that they were with stan gordon and

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asked to

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hypnotize kowalczyk and they they do

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hypnotize them

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years later stan came back and said to

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him to quote

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uh we'd like to hypnotize you and

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regress you and he said you already did

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and then told stan the story

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years later he told him the story about

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these these two guys showing up and

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hypnotizing

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and and again they either they either

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suggested uh they

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they you know were or directly stated

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they were with stan gordon so

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you know kind of men in black sort of

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weirdness they weren't met in black but

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they kind of

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acted like it uh and kowalczyk for the

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rest of his life was was deeply affected

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by this he had

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different psy experiences he he had

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predictions of

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of tragic events i think he he predicted

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a an airplane crash

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uh all these you know weird future

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predictions and

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and psychic events and so forth and was

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actually quite troubled by it because

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he didn't believe in the paranormal at

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all until this happened

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so it's it's a really incredible case

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and i've i've left out some deep

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other details like the sounds that that

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they heard was like crying babies and

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smells like burning rubber and stuff all

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these

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other weird things just associated with

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these accounts it's all balled up in

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this one case

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uh but very very strange and and

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wonderful case

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well you know fayette county in the

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chestnut ridge that whole

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area around there i mean of course

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during the 73 flat

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with the ufos and of course his

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subsequent

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other ufo and possible bigfoot activity

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and you know you talk about these um

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bulletproof

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bigfoot i mean this is something that

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seems to happen up there a lot

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people that'll take a shot at it and it

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either just goes through

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through it or it just takes a big flash

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and thing disappears

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or or they don't react at all yeah yeah

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josh did a lot of work with that he can

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speak to

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to that yeah i've grown really tired of

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of some of the explanations that people

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offer because i mean

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yes it's true that you can't taken down

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an elephant

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with you know a regular powered rifle

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and you it's unlikely that you'll take

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down a grizzly bear with a handgun

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but you can and you know you can take

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down a grizzly bear with a handgun in

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the right places and

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uh and even you know when shot these

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animals will often react but sometimes

398
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these bigfoot don't even react so you

399
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know the two things that people

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say is they say well you know either a

401
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um

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the bigfoot has a you know subdermal

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layer of fat that's thick enough to

404
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protect it well that could be the case

405
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but again with high powered rifles you

406
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should see some sort of reaction

407
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uh there's a video from 2018 i believe

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where a grizzly bear hit with uh bird

409
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shot actually does like a a

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360 spin because it reacts from it and

411
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then uh the other the other thing people

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say is well bigfoot skin must be thick

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but if you look at

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the thickness of skin on primates skin

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tends to be the thinnest where you have

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a covering of hair you know anybody

417
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who's ever nicked their scalp can tell

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you this is definitely the case

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so it's the hairless parts of primates

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that tend to have thicker skin so if

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bigfoot is covered in hair

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you'd think that it would have you know

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thinner skin so what becomes apparent is

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as you look through a lot of this

425
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literature about you know

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archetypal monsters and and things like

427
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that is that this idea of bulletproof

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entities has been around for a long time

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and it might even be sort of an

430
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expression of that i mean there are

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stories that you can find from

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medieval texts about which is being

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fired in the chest

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with a musket ball at blank range that

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uh point-blank range that bounces off of

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them or

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you know in some witch trials supposedly

438
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uh there was a you know there are

439
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examples of trying to cut a witch's hair

440
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with scissors and the scissors just

441
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getting mangled and ruined so it seems

442
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to me that perhaps we might be seeing

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something a little bit more

444
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like that or you know perhaps the idea

445
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that these entities

446
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are not entirely physical in the sense

447
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that we would

448
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we would understand them to be in terms

449
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of like you know

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a chimpanzee or something well you know

451
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now this all comes back to the big

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question i mean

453
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so are these you know your theories on

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the existence of bigfoot is it

455
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supernatural

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uh an idea that much of the cryptid

457
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:35,759
world still scoffs at

458
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or is there any real evidence of these

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being corporal creatures

460
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uh with some type of ability to make it

461
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elusive

462
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yeah oh sorry go ahead tim if

463
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if they these are natural creatures

464
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they are gifted with so many

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evolutionary advantages and specialities

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as to make them superheroes they might

467
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as well be in the in the marvel

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cinematic universe

469
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they're that gifted so at that point

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if they're natural creatures and they're

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that good they might as well be

472
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paranormal because there's nothing else

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on the planet that's that gifted

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evolutionarily speaking their thick skin

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and

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you know to the point where they're

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bulletproof and and glowing eyes and

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the only uh higher order primate with

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the tapitum lucidum

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uh if if it's reflectivized we're

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talking about

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and uh you know the ability to stay

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hidden like a farce ninja i i mean it

484
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you know is there no end to their to

485
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their special abilities

486
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you know like i said they might as well

487
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be something from from the marvel

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movies you know if they're that talented

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so

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you know if they are natural creatures

491
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and they have that many skills that

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it's paranormal that they that one

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creature would have that match

494
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uh you know evolutionary uh advantage i

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think

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and this is where i will come in and say

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and of course i know a lot of people

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listening and i'm gonna think i'm being

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really highfalutin with this sort of an

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idea but uh

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i think it's really important for people

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like cryptozoologists

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uh to sort of become more open to the

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idea that things don't necessarily

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have to be entirely physical or or

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non-physical i mean i think that the uh

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a lot of the people in in ufology have

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gotten you know used to this idea and a

509
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lot of the people in ghost hunting have

510
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gotten used to this

511
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idea something that i'm really fond of

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saying because you know people will push

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back and say oh if it's non-physical

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then how come it leaves scat and drop

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and

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write on

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mirrors and you know can slam doors so

518
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obviously you have the non-physical

519
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interacting with the physical similarly

520
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,640
you know if you look at like psi

521
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phenomena that's entirely in your mind

522
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but appears to be a real thing judging

523
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from laboratory experiments of people

524
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like dean raiden and daryl pym

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but it's an internalized non-physical

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thing that can have an impact on the

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physical world so once you sort of set

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up that as being something that's a

529
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reality then it's sort of a

530
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for me at least it's a very short leap

531
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from there into the idea that maybe

532
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,880
we're dealing with something that

533
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sometimes can be physical and sometimes

534
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can be non-physical

535
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well you know as long as i've been doing

536
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:12,880
this you know and i still don't have the

537
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:15,039
answers of course but you know

538
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,240
many of us have our own theories and

539
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uh now i had an encounter in 81 that

540
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thing was

541
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definitely corporal i mean that thing

542
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was

543
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a live real flushing blood the whole

544
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nine yards

545
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but who's to say it didn't have some

546
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type of ability to kind of move itself

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00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,520
out maybe out of this reality into

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another or

549
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:39,039
you know have some type of other ability

550
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to make it

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uh and i'm gonna say cloak or whatever

552
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:47,679
well you know my my sort of diplomatic

553
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uh

554
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fence sitting that i like to like to

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engage in is where i say that you know i

556
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mean

557
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,240
again if you look at sort of the ufo

558
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:56,160
phenomena a lot of times you'll have

559
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these sort of screen memories or

560
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,280
whatever these this other intelligence

561
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,440
is adopting the imagery of animals that

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00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,039
we know are real that we know are flesh

563
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,559
and blood creatures like deer

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and owls and you know rabbits or whatnot

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00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,799
so if that's the case with that who's to

566
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say that there might not be

567
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you know an actual population of relic

568
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,400
hominids

569
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,400
and something else that appropriates

570
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,840
that image right

571
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,919
for its own purposes too i think tim

572
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,280
probably is less

573
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:24,240
fond of that idea than i am but uh yeah

574
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,360
i mean i i think it's

575
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,440
it and it's very important whenever we

576
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:29,600
talk about this book

577
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,760
to for me to say that you know i talk to

578
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:33,520
a lot of witnesses i meet witnesses

579
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,280
in person all the time and

580
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,520
they're not lying i absolutely believe

581
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,120
they saw what they saw and i absolutely

582
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,640
believe

583
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,480
whatever they saw was physical and was

584
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:46,000
here and could reach out and touch them

585
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,120
and they could have reached out and

586
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:49,120
touched it and it can leave hair behind

587
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:50,160
and footprints

588
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,600
and scat et cetera uh so

589
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,919
it's it's like josh was saying before

590
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:57,760
this idea that something

591
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,559
can be both aboriginal and physical it's

592
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:02,320
a real problem and i think it's it's to

593
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,200
do with

594
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,559
you know the way we were educated we

595
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,320
were educated in a very materialistic

596
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
scientific way and and that's great

597
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,000
because you know

598
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,159
repeatable lab laboratory experiments

599
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,919
and newtonian physics this stuff works i

600
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,400
mean if you

601
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,760
if you drop something it's going to fall

602
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,520
gravity is real you know

603
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,520
it's going to happen so it's really

604
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,200
really hard

605
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,840
to sort of shake people out into this

606
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,919
idea or out of their normal thinking

607
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,840
that something could be physically there

608
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:29,600
at one point but also

609
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,720
apparitional it's a very very difficult

610
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,360
concept

611
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,360
and it's one i i honestly struggle with

612
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,440
too it's it's just it's such a bizarre

613
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:39,840
thing but uh it's it's a valuable

614
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,799
exercise if you can make it work

615
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,760
well i mean you know in this deal it has

616
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,120
to deal with a lot of crypto other

617
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,400
cryptids as well

618
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,919
you know this whole thing in chicago

619
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,520
we've been working on now for

620
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:54,480
seem like forever but four years uh you

621
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,960
know

622
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,960
we have no idea what this is people are

623
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,960
seeing it it looks like it's real to

624
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,240
them

625
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,120
but yeah how does this thing get around

626
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:05,760
so quickly and disappear and such

627
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,039
it's uh it's a real conundrum

628
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,039
yeah i guess i guess if tim and i have a

629
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,280
real axe to grind it's not necessarily

630
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,520
falling on any side of what you know it

631
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,120
is and in terms of its you know

632
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,799
physicality or non-physicality it's more

633
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,559
along the lines of the fact that

634
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,880
even if it has physical there's some

635
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,559
real weirdness there and it gets

636
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,080
it's so often stripped out of the

637
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,000
narrative to the point that it almost

638
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,000
seems like there has to be a concerted

639
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:31,600
effort to diminish

640
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,200
those aspects of these phenomena

641
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,480
well now you know that being said

642
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:41,600
um are these cryptids

643
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,960
actually connected to other genres of

644
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,149
i mean who you know short answer who

645
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,600
knows

646
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,039
but you know my gut says yes there's

647
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,799
just so much crossover i mean light

648
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,240
phenomenon's the easiest thing to point

649
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,360
to

650
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,799
weird lights with everything weird

651
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,000
lights with ghosts weird lights with

652
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,000
bigfoot weird lights with ufos

653
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,679
and on down the line uh so

654
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,840
you know i just my gut tells me that

655
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,440
that it's it's all at least connected

656
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,000
i'm not saying it's

657
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,440
all the same thing although you know

658
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,600
these may be different expressions

659
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,120
of the same thing there might be you

660
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,799
know one

661
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:21,120
thing behind it all i don't know you

662
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,000
know but

663
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,240
uh but i do think they're they're

664
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,600
connected somehow i think

665
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,440
i think that's the message that that the

666
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:29,120
other as i call this the general

667
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,000
paranormal

668
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,640
whatever's you know behind this there's

669
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,480
if there's a symbolic message there it's

670
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,440
it's these things

671
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,200
are connected you know now how they're

672
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,640
connected or why

673
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,120
you know it's up to anyone's theory i

674
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:46,070
you know another thing i saw in the book

675
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,280
which kind of grabbed me

676
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,720
was the uh was beth's case down in uh

677
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:51,679
drew moore

678
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,880
yeah and once you talk about that oh

679
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,320
that's what's wonderful yeah we i think

680
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,840
we've talked about it before so

681
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,559
she called you first and and then you

682
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,320
put me in touch with her

683
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:05,120
so i could go down and meet her and uh

684
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:06,080
wonderful witness

685
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:09,679
know gathered all her neighbors together

686
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,360
and and got their stories and and uh

687
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,760
you know very very forthcoming with with

688
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:16,880
her own stories

689
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,320
and and uh her neighbor behind her

690
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,480
had a farm that lived behind her and he

691
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,840
you know he had actually seen creatures

692
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,760
at this point she'd seen

693
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,440
her her stuff started with what she saw

694
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,440
would like she described as a giant wolf

695
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,679
like a giant black wolf she saw walking

696
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,120
across her property

697
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,640
and i think you know that was sort of

698
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:36,159
what we were going with

699
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,679
when you when she first contacted you we

700
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,120
thought it was going to be dog man stuff

701
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,120
because of that

702
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,919
and her husband had seen something that

703
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:45,520
had to be over eight feet tall because

704
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,840
he's

705
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,240
like he saw it over top their deck so he

706
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,360
you know he was kind of

707
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,440
even with the deck inside looking out

708
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,720
and just saw something

709
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,799
gray and hairy walk by that he could see

710
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,480
over top the deck

711
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,320
so you know they didn't know what they

712
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,760
were dealing with

713
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,760
and uh started talking to their

714
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,880
neighbors and their neighbors

715
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,880
were reporting bigfoot sightings like

716
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,799
actual sightings of bigfoot creatures

717
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:08,080
the one neighbor told me

718
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,279
he thought they were coming in by the

719
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,279
creek there were other neighbors that

720
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,880
were hunters that wouldn't go in certain

721
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,640
sections of the woods there they

722
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,720
just didn't like it there was uh tree

723
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:18,080
structures and they just felt really

724
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,120
uncomfortable

725
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,279
there and so forth and i i spent you

726
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,120
know the whole day with beth and like i

727
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,200
said just just a wonderful witness

728
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,320
and uh her neighbor was great but

729
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,880
uh you know the longer i was there the

730
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:32,480
the more the story started to come out

731
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,799
that

732
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,640
it wasn't just bigfoot you know they

733
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,919
started telling me both of them said

734
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,279
their houses were haunted

735
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,720
you know very interesting very

736
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,480
interesting detail uh

737
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,679
her husband said he saw a woman in white

738
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,960
spirit walk up the driveway and

739
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:46,640
disappear one night

740
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,600
um both of them had seen you know some

741
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,640
sort of mystery lights

742
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,320
they they describe them as ufos but they

743
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,159
were just odd lights basically they

744
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,240
i'm not sure they they were crafts you

745
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,640
know they were just lights that they saw

746
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,760
and um the neighbor uh

747
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,520
her neighbor the farmer also told me he

748
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:05,600
had shot a cougar which is just a weird

749
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,080
thing

750
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,919
you know he said he had shot and killed

751
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,760
and killed a cougar on his property

752
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,840
um i'm not saying it couldn't have been

753
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,360
a natural animal absolutely could have

754
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
i've seen

755
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,960
what i'm sure was a cougar two days in a

756
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,120
row in northern maryland

757
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,600
um so you know they're around i think

758
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,600
but it's just another odd thing

759
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,880
you know involved in this yeah

760
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,720
you know that that area i mean for

761
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,919
people who don't

762
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,799
we're talking about an area along the uh

763
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,159
mason dixon line just

764
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:37,919
south of into maryland along the um

765
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,840
near conowinga near the uh susquehanna

766
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,000
river

767
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,520
and uh well it's really actually part of

768
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,720
your entire research area you

769
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,880
you do all that from delta up to peach

770
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:52,480
bottom the whole way up into

771
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,400
uh oh god wherever you go i mean you're

772
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,559
all up along and up and down that river

773
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,559
yeah yeah that that river is a big big

774
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,679
spot for me

775
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:04,880
yeah it's um

776
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,000
and of course you know bigfoot sightings

777
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,440
you know when you go down to maryland

778
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,840
from there you go into baltimore county

779
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,240
or

780
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,720
you go almost right there you go into

781
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,159
harford county and

782
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,080
man there have been sightings bigfoot

783
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,240
along that river in harford county for

784
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,600
years oh yeah i mean really great

785
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,480
sightings yeah bob chance collected you

786
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
know tons of them in the 70s and

787
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,840
yeah when i was writing my first book i

788
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,440
was lucky enough he just

789
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:33,279
he just handed me his files i went and

790
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,640
visited him one day

791
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,279
and he just gave me his old files she

792
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,039
said here this is what you want and

793
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:41,440
left me alone with them you know to just

794
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,320
take notes

795
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,520
and uh you know wonderful wonderful man

796
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:48,640
and and tons and tons of stuff i only

797
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,360
regret that

798
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,880
i only took notes on the york county

799
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,640
stuff that from his files because that's

800
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,679
what you know that's what my book was

801
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:55,120
about at the time and there was so much

802
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,679
more

803
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,679
he had so much great stuff from from all

804
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,760
around the area

805
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,279
yeah maybe we had to get together and do

806
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,120
a maryland book sometime

807
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,120
yeah yeah absolutely you used to live in

808
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,559
maryland too so yeah

809
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,880
i grew up in northern baltimore county

810
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,320
so right

811
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:13,440
interesting so more recently there was a

812
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,520
uh an encounter in york or around york

813
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,840
that was brought to light on sasquatch

814
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,520
chronicles and i asked you

815
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,279
now i know you looked into it can you

816
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,919
kind of give us a brief uh

817
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,760
uh description of what had happened

818
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,360
there yeah so

819
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,440
i'm i'm pretty good buddies with wes the

820
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,760
the host of susquehanna chronicles and

821
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,640
he actually josh and i were going to be

822
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
on and he had a little preview

823
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,919
of the episode josh and i were going to

824
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,520
do and he just played a little clip of

825
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,720
our interview and talked about it a

826
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,520
little bit

827
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,320
and then he goes into this other

828
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:47,440
encounter

829
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,559
something in york county

830
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,039
and i asked wes like wes did did you do

831
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,919
that on purpose

832
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,840
you know that's my area and he said he

833
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,679
said no it was a complete coincidence

834
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,039
he's like i don't think that far ahead

835
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,159
tim but uh i begged i said i said

836
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,480
now wes is very but as you are as you

837
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,679
know you have to be you have to be kind

838
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:07,200
of protective of your witnesses and not

839
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,840
just

840
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,760
give them to anybody because because

841
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,159
people will abuse that you know

842
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,440
uh you know this as well as anybody so

843
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,919
i've never asked wes for for witness

844
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,200
contact before but i

845
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,440
i did in this case i said you know wes

846
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,960
this is right in my area

847
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,360
and seems like a great sighting and you

848
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,880
know could you please

849
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,480
give the witness my information if he's

850
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,760
willing to talk to me i'd love to talk

851
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,000
to

852
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,600
him and uh wes did and and he called me

853
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,039
you know the witness called me and i met

854
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,520
him at the location a few days later

855
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,480
so he saw it it's kind of a major road i

856
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,760
forget the root number

857
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,120
i know he he said the root number on

858
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,480
sasquatch chronicles but he actually had

859
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,279
it wrong

860
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,120
so a lot of people went looking i know a

861
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,640
lot of my friends who are in the bigfoot

862
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,799
stuff ran out right after hearing that

863
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,039
and uh whatever root number he gave he

864
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:54,640
had the numbers reversed and that put it

865
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,039
kind of

866
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,200
right in york and they're like i don't

867
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,640
you know i don't see where

868
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,559
he could have seen this you know yeah

869
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,760
and uh but it was actually

870
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,039
a bit further north in the in the

871
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,320
northern part of the county outside of

872
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,279
the way outside the city um

873
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,520
and uh he's a truck driver and he just

874
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,720
happened to see

875
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,600
you know a big black thing as he looked

876
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,559
out of his truck

877
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,640
pulled over he thought it was going to

878
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,840
be a bear i

879
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,880
got out and looked at it and you know so

880
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,320
i met him at the location

881
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,760
it was it was kind of this little

882
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,440
culvert

883
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:28,799
he saw the creature in and he was

884
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:32,320
well 30 yards away maybe from this thing

885
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:32,720
very

886
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,399
up

887
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,640
uh looked at him it seemed really

888
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:39,919
annoyed with him that was the impression

889
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,399
he got he and he said it was carrying

890
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,399
what he thought was probably a goat

891
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,919
under its arm that looked like it had

892
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,200
killed a goat

893
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:50,000
and another guy pulled over they were

894
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,120
both looking at it

895
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,840
and he he told the guy get your camera

896
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,600
he said the guy is reaching in

897
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,440
because he he the witness had left his

898
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,320
uh camera in his truck

899
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,080
he said the the witness kind of the

900
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,679
other witness is kind of looking down

901
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,640
digging through his

902
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,159
pocket for the camera he said he looked

903
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:08,000
away for a second and looked back

904
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,200
and this thing's running across the

905
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,440
field and he said

906
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,000
it did a hundred yards faster than

907
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,919
anything he'd ever seen

908
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:18,399
he said unbelievably fast didn't make a

909
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,120
sound

910
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:21,120
completely smooth in its locomotion he

911
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,240
said it looked like it was a

912
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,760
cross-country skier or something like

913
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:25,039
that so the yeah and these are all

914
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,480
things you hear with bigfoot reports

915
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,840
again and again

916
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,720
but uh very close he was very sure what

917
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,679
he saw

918
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,320
and uh you know very willing he told me

919
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,679
you know i'm i'm willing to

920
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,279
you know i'll tell you everything i

921
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,720
answer any question

922
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,760
he was a fantastic witness and uh

923
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,600
quite shaken by what he had seen by the

924
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,520
way he he had someone come out with them

925
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:47,919
i was brought daylight and you know

926
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,640
about a week

927
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,240
week and a half after he had a sighting

928
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,159
he met me out there and he had someone

929
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,520
come out with him he's like i didn't

930
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,640
want to come out here alone

931
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,039
even for you know waiting for you uh

932
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,399
he'd be alone so

933
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,880
he's quite shaken by it and uh you know

934
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,399
he definitely saw something

935
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,320
he saw you know i believe him he saw

936
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:06,399
something that was there

937
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,039
interesting yeah i um

938
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,760
i don't know i mean you know i we will

939
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:14,559
get a bigfoot

940
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,600
york county

941
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,600
uh but i think you're really in the area

942
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,519
where a lot of that's going on

943
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:24,559
now i know when i was a kid now god

944
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,679
i'm gonna date myself but um

945
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,760
there used to there were some sightings

946
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:32,159
up around dover and manchester

947
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,840
north of york for years

948
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,519
and nobody really came out and said it

949
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,519
was a bigfoot they just said it was a

950
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:40,720
wild man or

951
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,760
a hairy man or whatever what i was and

952
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,399
uh

953
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:46,000
you know of course i was in high school

954
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,519
back then but i didn't really think much

955
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,799
about it

956
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,000
but i you know i over the years i have

957
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:55,360
thought about that and uh of course you

958
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,919
know that

959
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,679
you're talking about dover in that area

960
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,279
there are the roads leading up

961
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:01,519
passed over you know that's where we i

962
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,320
had

963
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,240
these reports of those wing humanoids

964
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:05,519
around there too

965
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,039
up on the uh up on the conewago creek

966
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,360
yep so uh and thunderbirds too there's

967
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,000
some thunderbirds right

968
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,240
so i don't know we live in a crazy place

969
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:18,399
no doubt about that

970
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,399
um so you you did you mentioned

971
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,000
something in the book that i

972
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,960
i kind of don't understand maybe you can

973
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,320
explain it to me

974
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:31,360
what is a wadden geist wilderness guys

975
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:31,760
josh

976
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,600
take it well it occurred to me that um

977
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,600
that a lot of the things that we

978
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,200
associate with the paranormal we tend to

979
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,279
define by what we bring

980
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,000
to our experiences so if you have you

981
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,600
know a bright light in the sky it's a

982
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,440
ufo if you have a bright light dancing

983
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:49,279
along the hillside it's a fairy light if

984
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,720
you have a bright light in a

985
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,559
old house it's a haunted it's a haunting

986
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,080
and if you have a bright light

987
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,080
in the woods well nowadays i think i

988
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:58,000
personally want to say it's sasquatch

989
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,279
but you know but it could be it goes in

990
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,880
other words in other words the phenomena

991
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,519
is often context dependent

992
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,960
and if you look at uh the class b

993
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,440
reports of the bfro or any other sort of

994
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,559
similar organization

995
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,279
those reports that describe things that

996
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,679
are kind of you know big footy those

997
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,519
the reports where nobody nobody actually

998
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,360
sees you know a sasquatch but

999
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:21,120
they are pelted with rocks or they hear

1000
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,640
a voice in the forest or they

1001
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,240
experience some sort of strange smell or

1002
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,840
they see a footprint or they hear

1003
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,799
you know knox of some sort those class b

1004
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,640
reports if you were to put them inside a

1005
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,240
house they would either be a haunting

1006
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,679
but more specifically they would be a

1007
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,360
poltergeist because those are all

1008
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,440
hallmarks of poltergeist activity you

1009
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,720
know to the extent that

1010
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,320
some people who you know for example in

1011
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,919
the minerva monster case

1012
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,159
uh they were seeing you know this dark

1013
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,360
figure

1014
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,559
about the same time that you know that

1015
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:48,000
the town was in the middle of this this

1016
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:49,360
bigfoot flap they would see this dark

1017
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,000
figure

1018
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,679
along the ridge line and they would have

1019
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,360
rocks tossed down to them

1020
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,720
that would be warm to the touch and of

1021
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,399
course the very common thing in all

1022
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,159
poltergeist cases is that these rocks

1023
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,760
might shower from the ceiling from just

1024
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,120
some unknown area

1025
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,480
and they're warm to the touch they've

1026
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,320
even taken thermal imaging of some rocks

1027
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,760
in some of these poltergeist cases and

1028
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,000
shown

1029
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,159
that they are much warmer than the than

1030
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,919
the uh than the room temperature now of

1031
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,560
course if you're

1032
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,520
a flesh and blood advocate you say well

1033
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,879
the bigfoot was holding a rock and it

1034
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,359
was

1035
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,720
warming up the rock in its hand before

1036
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,079
it threw it but at the same time you

1037
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,919
have to say warm rocks in a house

1038
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,440
poltergeist warm rocks

1039
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:23,040
being thrown at you outside of a house

1040
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
you know bigfoot

1041
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,879
so i thought that maybe it might be

1042
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,720
interesting to sort of decouple the

1043
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,359
phenomena from our assumptions about the

1044
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,879
phenomena so that's where i came up with

1045
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,040
the term vilnius geist which is

1046
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:37,520
poltergeist is noisy ghost um for

1047
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,240
anybody who

1048
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,679
isn't aware um but i'm sure your

1049
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,960
audience is uh it's used to describe

1050
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,760
uh parapsychological phenomena um well

1051
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,599
not parapsychological uh

1052
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:50,480
supernatural phenomena that's sort of

1053
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,359
centered around

1054
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,399
typically a youth going through puberty

1055
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,679
and they'll have all sorts of things

1056
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,680
like spontaneous fires and again these

1057
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,880
other things that i mentioned wrapping

1058
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,079
and knocks and

1059
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,000
showers of stones and odd smells and

1060
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,760
strange voices in the house

1061
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,079
um so poltergeist is a german word

1062
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:08,000
meaning noisy spirit or noisy ghost and

1063
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,960
i said well

1064
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:11,119
if you have that same thing in the woods

1065
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,000
you can probably

1066
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,440
you might be able to assume it's bigfoot

1067
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,800
because people have seen bigfoot doing

1068
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,000
some of these things but at the same

1069
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,640
time if you didn't see bigfoot you can't

1070
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:21,440
really say it's bigfoot i don't yeah

1071
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:24,400
so wildness geist wilderness poltergeist

1072
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,280
wilderness spirit

1073
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:28,240
vilnius geist from the german is sort of

1074
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,040
an idea

1075
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,640
to describe this phenomena that

1076
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:35,920
it's a way to take that same suite of

1077
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,520
of of of activity and to

1078
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,680
take it away from the bigfoot assumption

1079
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,040
um and i think that this

1080
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,880
this sort of idea that maybe we're not

1081
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,560
dealing with you know

1082
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:49,119
a large flesh and blood relic commented

1083
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,920
throwing rocks

1084
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:52,079
i think that that idea gains a little

1085
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,440
bit more strength when you consider

1086
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,640
that the other place where people

1087
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,040
reported poltergeist activity

1088
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,480
was during seances during the

1089
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,240
spiritualist movement and then

1090
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,760
when you look at the sort of things that

1091
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,440
happen in those cases there is no

1092
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,640
shortage of

1093
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,400
hairy hands that would materialize

1094
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,000
during these seasons and there also

1095
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,480
are several accounts of people who claim

1096
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,280
to have seen

1097
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,560
large humanoid hair covered figures

1098
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,200
in these um in these sciences as well

1099
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,960
you know paranormal author stanley gooch

1100
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,520
saw

1101
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,040
something that he's described as either

1102
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:22,640
you know a neanderthal man covered in

1103
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,280
fur or

1104
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,800
literally like a giant furry uh man ape

1105
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,400
uh he wasn't really sure what that was a

1106
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,839
little bit too dark but um

1107
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,240
frank kliske another medium uh back

1108
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:34,000
around i believe the turn of the 20th

1109
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,040
century

1110
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,680
uh also manifested a similar creature an

1111
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,920
ape man in one of his seances so you

1112
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,200
know you look at that sort of again

1113
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,240
that's that that

1114
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,839
that body of class b evidence

1115
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:48,560
and hairy creatures that appear both you

1116
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,200
know in

1117
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,560
in the woods and in something like a

1118
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,920
seance it's like well you know maybe

1119
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,839
we're not always dealing with bigfoot

1120
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,440
when we hear wood knocks in the forest

1121
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,200
maybe we're not always

1122
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,720
dealing with you know bigfoot when we

1123
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:00,240
get pelted with stones in the forest and

1124
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,720
then

1125
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:03,440
if you take that sort of an angle to

1126
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:03,839
this

1127
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,720
it really opens up interpreting the

1128
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,240
bigfoot phenomena through a lot of other

1129
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,839
lenses so the other chapters in the in

1130
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,280
the book are looking at you know

1131
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,880
you know bigfoot and ghosts how those

1132
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,280
things overlap bigfoot and which old old

1133
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,880
old world witch lore which i never

1134
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,720
thought would be connected taking a look

1135
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:20,240
at that taking a look at bigfoot and

1136
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,200
fairy lore

1137
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,800
uh particularly of western europe and

1138
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:24,400
looking at how all those things connect

1139
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,200
and i think it's just

1140
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,200
it's just a an interesting way to look

1141
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,839
at what we would call bigfoot without

1142
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,560
all this cultural baggage that we have

1143
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,079
you know as americans who want to say

1144
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,000
well you know it's a large hairy large

1145
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,760
hairy ape man you know i've said in the

1146
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,800
past

1147
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,720
that in some ways this isn't a book

1148
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,280
about bigfoot it's kind of a book about

1149
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,119
the way that you can look at bigfoot

1150
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,760
more than it is about bigfoot himself

1151
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,400
well and i'll tell you it's interesting

1152
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,160
when you do get these reports

1153
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,920
that you know it does sound like a

1154
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,680
bigfoot but there's a lot of other

1155
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:57,119
phenomena associated

1156
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,560
with it that isn't really associated

1157
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,160
with a bigfoot i mean

1158
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,079
uh you know when you're talking about

1159
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,920
poltergeist you're talking about pk

1160
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,280
you're talking about

1161
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,680
uh thought form manifestation i mean

1162
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,359
it's very possible

1163
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,680
that somebody might be able to do that

1164
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,720
as well

1165
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:17,200
and believe it's a bigfoot well and and

1166
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,560
you know if you look at i mean

1167
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,079
so i'm i'm saying that you know

1168
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,680
sometimes maybe something in the forest

1169
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,800
that you think is bigfoot might be a

1170
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,960
poltergeist but there are other cases

1171
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:27,599
similar to the way that you know uh you

1172
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,079
know

1173
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,640
alien contactees alien experiencers i

1174
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,680
guess

1175
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,440
will often have poltergeist phenomena in

1176
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,280
their homes similarly sometimes bigfoot

1177
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,359
experiencers have the same thing

1178
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,000
there's a you know a 1946 case of uh

1179
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,119
someone who saw

1180
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,760
you know a yowie in australia in their

1181
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:45,920
yard and they also had you know showers

1182
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,560
of

1183
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,800
rocks and uh you know doors that swung

1184
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,720
open in the house as well

1185
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,760
and to say i mean obviously there's no

1186
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,079
explicit connection between seeing a

1187
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,680
yowie in your front yard and having a

1188
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,599
poltergeist in your house but

1189
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,440
man to consider the fact that a lot of

1190
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,560
people go through their lives without

1191
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,760
either those things happening and you

1192
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,280
have those two things happening in close

1193
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,119
proximity in terms of time

1194
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,200
it's just that seems a little bit too

1195
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,920
coincidental for my tastes

1196
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
now you guys also wrote a chapter about

1197
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,520
gifting now what are your thoughts on

1198
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,720
that i mean

1199
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,640
you know you hear all kinds of stories

1200
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:20,720
about gifting i've had people

1201
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:24,400
that i know who have sworn that

1202
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,839
uh they had a string of exchanges with a

1203
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,200
bigfoot

1204
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,440
but uh i mean overall what do you guys

1205
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:32,960
take on that

1206
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,160
well i mean i've had a series of

1207
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,359
exchanges with

1208
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,839
something i know you did i don't i don't

1209
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:40,720
know what it was

1210
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,000
i never never saw it and uh you know it

1211
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,480
so what i did is look at this in the

1212
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,000
framework of

1213
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:53,599
uh spirit gifting throughout the ages so

1214
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,040
uh we have been giving gifts to spirits

1215
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,800
as long as mankind's been keeping

1216
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,640
records the easiest one to point to is

1217
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,680
santa claus we

1218
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,760
we leave milton milk and cookies out for

1219
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:04,880
santa claus and

1220
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,760
you know he brings santa claus santa

1221
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,280
claus who i'm gonna quickly interject

1222
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,640
here is you know if you talk to a

1223
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,319
folklorist santa claus is a direct

1224
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:14,000
descendant from that

1225
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,839
odin wadwow's wild man archetype as well

1226
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,680
so yeah oh yeah yeah well i come from a

1227
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:21,680
swiss background so i know all about all

1228
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,000
that

1229
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
i mean yeah you talk about the krampus

1230
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,079
and the whole nine yards there

1231
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,480
yep else nickel all that stuff it all

1232
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:29,599
folds in

1233
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,470
you know so a lot of people will will

1234
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,000
start um

1235
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,400
leaving out you know food uh food's a

1236
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,760
big one food's a big one

1237
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,280
that people leave out for bigfoot and

1238
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,800
and the flesh and blood guys

1239
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,040
say you know don't do this because the

1240
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,800
bigfoot will become dependent

1241
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,160
upon this food to which i say that's

1242
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,920
that's absolutely ridiculous because

1243
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,440
people are usually leaving out like a

1244
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,720
candy bar or

1245
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,480
you know a granola bar or a couple

1246
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,079
apples or something and

1247
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:02,000
if these are natural creatures they're

1248
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:03,280
eight feet tall they're close to a

1249
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,319
thousand pounds

1250
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:07,280
their caloric needs would be insane like

1251
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,760
they

1252
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,440
the the caloric needs of something that

1253
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:11,119
size and and with that kind of

1254
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,240
musculature

1255
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,880
and you know if if these creatures are

1256
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:16,160
out there they have big brains they have

1257
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,359
to they're smart

1258
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:20,079
uh you know the the way they act you

1259
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,640
know they're not

1260
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,319
dumb in any way so they have a big brain

1261
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,079
which requires a lot of fuel

1262
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,400
to feed so a couple candy bars on a

1263
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:27,839
stump is not making

1264
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,640
any sort of dent in the caloric needs of

1265
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,560
of a creature that size

1266
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,000
so we can throw that out the window

1267
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
right away but what they'll say is uh

1268
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,839
you know well bigfoot can go through

1269
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,119
your trash can

1270
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,480
and that doesn't count because your

1271
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:42,240
trash can but if you leave candy bars on

1272
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,119
a stump

1273
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,520
then then you're you know you're making

1274
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,640
gifting and then you're gonna have

1275
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,760
problems well

1276
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,280
how would a bigfoot know the difference

1277
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,960
between a stump and a trash can like how

1278
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,079
does it

1279
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,240
not know you know why wouldn't a bigfoot

1280
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,760
think that a trashcan is a

1281
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:58,400
a big offering receptacle you know how

1282
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,280
would it know

1283
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,640
so it comes down to this idea of

1284
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,119
intention which is very very important

1285
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:06,240
um in terms of this stuff so you know it

1286
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,880
has

1287
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:08,079
entirely to do with intention and

1288
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,520
they'll talk about planning a bigfoot

1289
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,800
garden for instance like

1290
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,040
like plant a bigfoot garden closer to

1291
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,720
the woods away from your normal garden

1292
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,359
and

1293
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,520
bigfoot will take from that garden only

1294
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,359
well that's not the way animals work

1295
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,440
animals are caloric opportunists any

1296
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,200
other animal on the planet would go oh

1297
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:25,200
now i have two places to pill for food

1298
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,000
from

1299
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,920
so again this is intention you're

1300
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,760
setting up a dedicated space for the

1301
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,960
bigfoot then

1302
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,040
uh so how would it know how would it

1303
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,119
know you know

1304
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,200
it wouldn't unless you're talking about

1305
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,880
something akin to spirit gifting and if

1306
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,720
you overlay this over spirit gifting

1307
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,480
which people again have done

1308
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,800
for ages and ages and ages and you look

1309
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,319
at these old cases of people

1310
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,760
leaving out you know milk for the

1311
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,240
fairies or or food for the brownies and

1312
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,760
so forth

1313
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,480
uh to use old world examples and they

1314
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,760
will say don't stop

1315
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,200
now the flesh and blood guys say you

1316
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,280
know again don't stop because bigfoot

1317
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,800
depends on these calories now and then

1318
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,040
hold he'll mess your house up or disturb

1319
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,440
you at night bang on your walls etc etc

1320
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,040
uh you'll have an angry bigfoot on your

1321
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,720
hand but if you look at these old

1322
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,000
accounts of these people who

1323
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,800
who would not feed the brownie you know

1324
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,920
they would start feeding the brownie and

1325
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:15,200
then stop they would forget to feed the

1326
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,760
brownie

1327
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,200
or bang on their house

1328
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:22,000
or you know climb on their roof uh might

1329
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,400
might

1330
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:24,319
you know tear their basement up make

1331
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,520
their house a mess so

1332
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,920
so you have these these cases these old

1333
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:29,359
folklore cases you don't even need to

1334
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,079
force it

1335
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,720
you can just overlay it directly and it

1336
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,280
this is

1337
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,880
in my opinion is exactly what people are

1338
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,040
doing it's a form of spirit gifting

1339
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,000
and uh it can be problematic there are

1340
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,680
rules our ancestors laid out in the

1341
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,560
folklore

1342
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,800
and uh trust me i broke them and had a

1343
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,640
very very bad experience

1344
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,920
uh after doing so uh so i know i

1345
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:52,720
i caution people um not because bigfoot

1346
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,040
will

1347
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
be you know calorically dependent on

1348
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,960
whatever you leave but because

1349
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,720
there are explicit rules and and they're

1350
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,800
easy to it's easy to mess up

1351
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:03,599
and uh you know these things tend to uh

1352
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:03,920
get

1353
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,680
mess up and you know you know tim

1354
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,359
mentions the brownie there i would be a

1355
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:11,119
bit remiss if i didn't say that you know

1356
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,760
that sort of

1357
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,839
that particular class of fairy the

1358
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,839
brownies which you'll find other

1359
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:19,040
analogs um you know certain goblins and

1360
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,920
peck amberlin

1361
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,000
and phen audrey of different you know

1362
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,599
areas throughout western europe

1363
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,400
um were often described as little tiny

1364
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,800
simian faced hair covered creatures

1365
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,319
which you know if we saw that today

1366
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,240
you'd say oh it's a little foot but

1367
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,839
you know that you started the show off

1368
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,560
with like yeah actually literally yeah

1369
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,680
and you know when you when you take a

1370
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:39,040
look at that you sort of turn your head

1371
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,560
and squint and think about the fact that

1372
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,000
you know fairies were

1373
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,720
in a lot of folklore they could be tall

1374
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,079
and they could be short they could be

1375
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,520
described as trolls or ogres and they

1376
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,640
were also you know

1377
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,640
size and shape shifters you're like well

1378
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,760
what are we really looking at with

1379
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,200
something like the bigfoot phenomena if

1380
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,520
they react the same way to offerings

1381
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,200
that a lot of these older entities these

1382
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,960
older earth spirits would then what are

1383
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,920
we what are we really dealing with here

1384
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:04,800
absolutely you know intention you know i

1385
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,280
i

1386
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,720
can be very powerful

1387
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,880
mm-hmm spirits especially in the spirit

1388
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,160
world

1389
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,359
uh absolutely yeah you're right and

1390
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:18,800
you've got to be careful how you use it

1391
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,480
uh but um i don't know i'm not gonna go

1392
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
digging into that right now

1393
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,359
i mean it just it can go sideways on you

1394
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:28,720
yeah oh absolutely

1395
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,760
yeah now you also brought something else

1396
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,640
else in the book um that i find

1397
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,400
intriguing

1398
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,119
and uh this is something i've wondered

1399
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,880
for a long time

1400
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,040
is the attraction of bigfoot even

1401
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:45,599
upright canines and other phenomena

1402
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,510
yeah it's interesting because if you

1403
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:52,480
look at

1404
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,720
for example you know all throughout

1405
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,400
a lot of these you know european

1406
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,560
sightings where again you'd see fairies

1407
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,200
a lot of them are you know these sort of

1408
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,560
you know

1409
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,599
pre-christian burial grounds and uh

1410
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,920
people have talked about that um in the

1411
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,839
u.s as well now of course you'll have

1412
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,359
you know a lot of people who are wanting

1413
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,880
to be critical of the paranormal say oh

1414
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,720
well that's a hollywood trope or

1415
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,640
they'll say oh that's you know your way

1416
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:20,400
of being a racist and saying that you

1417
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,720
know

1418
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,319
native americans were more mystic and

1419
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,560
like but but if the data is there the

1420
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,760
data is there

1421
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,640
you know people don't like to

1422
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,200
acknowledge the fact that there's

1423
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,599
an extreme amount of bigfoot and ufo

1424
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:33,119
sightings that take place around

1425
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:34,000
cemeteries

1426
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,359
yeah it's just something that happens

1427
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,200
and if you go um you know

1428
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:40,000
even deeper into the time scale there

1429
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:41,200
are

1430
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,560
it would be very easy to find burial

1431
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,800
sites of native americans

1432
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,800
in close proximity to these bigfoot

1433
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,119
sightings as well you know

1434
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,720
part of me says that there's something

1435
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,960
to that and part of me also says

1436
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:57,280
that uh you know there's probably not a

1437
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,319
square inch

1438
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,400
in the americas that isn't you know

1439
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,400
housing some sort of remains of somebody

1440
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,000
at any given point

1441
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
but um yeah i mean you know i have

1442
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:08,640
reports in the book of bigfoot being

1443
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,200
seen

1444
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,240
during uh seminal excavations of

1445
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,720
of burial grounds in the everglades um

1446
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,880
some up in wisconsin uh there's one

1447
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,560
that's actually a

1448
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,760
really interesting case that linda

1449
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,000
godfrey talked about about this sighting

1450
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:23,599
that was just right next to o'hare

1451
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,160
airport

1452
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
um and of course you know everything

1453
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,920
goes silent which doesn't make any sense

1454
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:29,280
if you're next to o'hare you're talking

1455
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,599
about

1456
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,520
shore woods yeah the shiller woods thing

1457
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,680
which also houses crazy area man because

1458
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,599
we've had sightings up there too

1459
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,319
well and it houses a burial ground yeah

1460
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,839
an indian barrel ground there as well so

1461
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,920
i think that there is something to that

1462
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,400
um but you know as as far as what that

1463
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,680
means about the phenomena

1464
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,960
your guess is as good as mine but it's

1465
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,440
interesting that we see

1466
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,920
an association of again i keep on coming

1467
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,720
back to those things

1468
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,480
fairies ghosts and witches all have

1469
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,400
these associations with cemeteries and

1470
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,400
graveyards and burial grounds and

1471
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,400
i think the fact that we see bigfoot in

1472
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:01,520
those same

1473
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,839
areas uh is i think it's worth

1474
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,480
mentioning

1475
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,559
yeah i do too i mean you know it's funny

1476
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,200
that you you put that in the book about

1477
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,800
uh the 67 encounter along the dis plains

1478
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,680
river

1479
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,520
and that's in that area around shiller

1480
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,400
park chiller woods of forest preserve

1481
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,680
we had a we had several wing humanoid

1482
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,839
sightings around there as well

1483
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,240
and uh there's definitely something

1484
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,440
about that

1485
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,839
you know the other night i was on a

1486
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:34,000
radio show we were talking about you

1487
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,640
know this

1488
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,200
chicago humanoids mothman or whatever

1489
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,800
they are

1490
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,920
and uh somebody had brought up the point

1491
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,680
that

1492
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,680
you know all these sightings recently

1493
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:46,960
have been in and around

1494
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,800
o'hara and i hadn't even thought about

1495
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,359
that but

1496
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,920
sure it's very close to o'hara and

1497
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:56,000
there's a lot of strange stuff that goes

1498
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,800
on there

1499
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,960
i i have a friend who grew up near there

1500
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,480
and he said that there was some weird

1501
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,480
activity in his house as well and

1502
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,640
the funny thing about you know chicago

1503
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:06,559
there are two other examples in the book

1504
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,240
a 2014 sighting of a night watchman who

1505
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:13,599
saw this like four foot reddish ape and

1506
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,920
here

1507
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,400
chimpanzee noises in a small pocket park

1508
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,520
that's glenwood woods which is 60 acres

1509
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,599
and another person who found these

1510
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,079
18-inch bigfoot footprints between 73rd

1511
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,440
street and mason avenue

1512
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,760
so it's like okay look i'll i'll give

1513
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,800
you i'll give you some

1514
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,400
i'll give you i'll extend the line of

1515
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,559
credit on bigfoot being

1516
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,079
uh you know tromping around the pacific

1517
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,880
northwest but chicago that implies to me

1518
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,800
that this is something that's

1519
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,480
a little bit it might be a little bit

1520
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,480
more ephemeral than people want to admit

1521
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,240
and josh i'm not sure how familiar you

1522
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:46,240
are with all the the those chicago

1523
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,079
mothman reports but uh

1524
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,839
quite a few of them are kind of bat

1525
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,680
squatches

1526
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:54,079
yeah you mentioned that and uh that sort

1527
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,720
of

1528
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,400
you know i did i wasn't thinking that i

1529
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,839
wasn't making that particular connection

1530
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,280
at the time but it's interesting how you

1531
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,640
look at these other sort of like

1532
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:02,559
you know so and so squatch characters

1533
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,839
like sheepsquatch and basquatch and

1534
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,119
i would even say you know if you want to

1535
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,720
put dogman in there too it's like dog

1536
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,520
squatch

1537
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,800
um they they sort of have the each of

1538
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,000
those

1539
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,640
have they have antecedents in you know

1540
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,839
the the galatia

1541
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,359
in a lot of these grimoires that you see

1542
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,119
in magical and occult practice

1543
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,079
exactly so is that you know is that a

1544
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,920
some sort of spontaneous manifestation

1545
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,599
of those spirits and if so

1546
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,200
does that mean that bigfoot occupies a

1547
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,040
similar space i would i would

1548
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,760
argue that you know given some of the

1549
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,280
similarities that bigfoot have with

1550
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,960
witches because you know a lot of old

1551
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,240
world witches were literally

1552
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,599
covered in hair um that that's it's an

1553
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,640
idea to entertain

1554
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,400
i mean we're already talking about we're

1555
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,920
already talking about bigfoot everybody

1556
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,520
thinks we're crazy anyway let's just see

1557
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,760
how far we can take this

1558
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:52,160
where did we end up on on the idea i

1559
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,920
know at some point there was some idea

1560
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,440
with the chicago stuff that

1561
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,119
that someone had summoned something

1562
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,520
wasn't there lon yeah i you know that's

1563
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,280
a theory i've had ever since

1564
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,240
point pleasant i've always thought that

1565
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,000
you know these beings

1566
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,160
were possibly summoned from another

1567
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,440
reality

1568
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,359
uh you know the spirit energy around

1569
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,200
point please is really palpable

1570
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,200
of course you know the indigenous

1571
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,640
spirits and such and

1572
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,640
i mean you go there and do investigation

1573
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,720
and some of the um

1574
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,480
and some of the ebps that come out of

1575
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,640
there are just unbelievable

1576
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:27,920
but uh no you know we had a we had a uh

1577
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,160
a witch in chicago who swears she may

1578
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,760
have actually summoned one of these

1579
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,119
beings

1580
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:38,559
during a uh oh i don't know what was it

1581
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:39,119
a

1582
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,119
something

1583
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,440
that summoned these uh winged beings

1584
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:52,800
into chicago

1585
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,880
i mean so interesting an idea you know

1586
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,160
i mean talking about point pleasant

1587
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,880
point pleasant has a goat man um along

1588
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,520
uh bethel church road i believe it is

1589
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:05,040
that some people have seen as well now

1590
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,319
of course a lot of communities have goat

1591
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,680
men but still

1592
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,119
it's interesting it's interesting when

1593
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,800
you compare the goat man with that image

1594
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,119
of the sabbatic goat of baphomet which

1595
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,880
you know has a much longer history than

1596
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,319
we want to go into here but

1597
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:19,280
it kind of it makes you wonder again as

1598
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,480
i said to tim

1599
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,400
uh that i'm so proud he took up this

1600
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,520
banner when i said it

1601
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,720
i said you know you've got to look at

1602
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,559
the company that these things keep and

1603
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,160
i think initially i was referring to the

1604
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,760
fact that you know

1605
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,920
aleister crowley bought you know

1606
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,680
bellescan house on the shores of loch

1607
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,720
ness which has

1608
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,079
nessie you know that that means like

1609
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,319
okay why are you doing that uncle al

1610
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,319
um so i think that if you look you know

1611
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,960
it's almost to me like a step beyond the

1612
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,880
idea of window areas the idea that you

1613
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,079
know

1614
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,920
yeah window areas but so if you have a

1615
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:51,359
lot of varied phenomena in the same

1616
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,000
place like

1617
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,520
tim does in his little slice of

1618
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,839
pennsylvania it kind of makes me wonder

1619
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:57,040
if there isn't some

1620
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,240
as we talked about the beginning of the

1621
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
interview uh maybe it's not the same

1622
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,319
thing but these venn diagrams

1623
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,079
have got to touch there's no way these

1624
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,109
uh before i get you know we end the show

1625
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,400
i definitely have to talk about

1626
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,920
gettysburg and misha

1627
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,079
now you've been doing some investigating

1628
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,880
of a misha for the last couple years tim

1629
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,680
um talk about some of the stuff that

1630
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:22,720
you've come across

1631
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:26,400
up there uh it is

1632
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:29,680
bananas yeah no pun intended

1633
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,200
um it's i i

1634
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,760
i was someone who uh does magnetic

1635
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,040
anomaly sent me a

1636
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,920
magnetic anomaly map of the area and you

1637
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,880
know very interesting

1638
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,680
the all of these places that that i i

1639
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,119
frequent like toad road

1640
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,040
you know runs below the doors there big

1641
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:48,720
magnetic anomaly just follows like a

1642
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,599
doors right up to

1643
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:52,079
to the river uh hex hollow has a little

1644
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,200
magnetic anomaly

1645
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,800
there in this map uh but michoa

1646
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,760
there's a giant magnetic uh anomaly that

1647
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,760
basically stretches from tuscarora state

1648
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:02,720
forest

1649
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,240
and arcs down into michoa and

1650
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,839
you know really right down to maryland

1651
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,440
just follows that that

1652
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,040
that forest right down in into the

1653
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:12,400
mountains of maryland there that south

1654
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:12,960
mountain

1655
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,160
uh chain is is kind of where that

1656
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,319
magnetic anomaly follows

1657
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,319
i don't know if that's an explanation or

1658
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,599
a contributing factor

1659
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,040
or what but i find it very very

1660
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,640
interesting and

1661
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,359
uh all over my show i just i started

1662
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,720
getting reports i talked about a little

1663
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,440
bit on

1664
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,760
my podcast strange familiars and people

1665
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,760
started contacting me

1666
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,920
and then we just started going out there

1667
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,680
and uh

1668
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,760
boy we've seen weird lights there's one

1669
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,119
place in in particular

1670
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:43,040
called harry springs harry springs

1671
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,559
hollow that uh

1672
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,359
and it's spelled h-a-i-r-y we don't know

1673
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,960
why it's spelled that way

1674
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:51,200
but uh that's what it's called and by

1675
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,160
the way michelle has

1676
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:53,760
all kinds of weird like if you're

1677
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,799
looking for weird place names

1678
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,200
it's crazy yeah dark hollow haunted

1679
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:00,079
hollow

1680
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,559
but we've seen weird lights there we we

1681
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:07,760
originally went there because this

1682
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:11,280
you know uh bigfoot witness talked about

1683
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,640
several encounters in the area including

1684
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,960
seeing what he described as like a giant

1685
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,079
chimpanzee

1686
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,760
running through the woods and and he had

1687
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,359
had these multiple encounters and we

1688
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,960
went there with him

1689
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,799
and the the first night we were there we

1690
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,480
got bluff charged by something

1691
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,319
like something came charging at my

1692
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,000
investigation partner chad

1693
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,880
uh who's a i mean this guy's a rock he's

1694
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,599
he's like a

1695
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,680
you know woodsman survivalist type guy

1696
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,119
nothing scares him

1697
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,880
and yeah i'm sitting there interviewing

1698
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,400
the witness and he just comes

1699
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:40,319
running back and grabs me and says go go

1700
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,920
go go and uh

1701
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,200
you know later he tells me like

1702
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:44,720
basically something something charged

1703
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,280
him

1704
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,599
in the woods something big and for the

1705
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,440
rest of the night we're hearing like

1706
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:52,079
what sounds like gorilla grunts there

1707
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:52,799
and

1708
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,559
lights at that point

1709
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,880
uh we decided you know maybe it's time

1710
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,000
to turn around

1711
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,440
we go back down and i had

1712
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,720
my pack pulled by something i had the

1713
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:08,000
audio running you can actually hear it

1714
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,720
on the audio

1715
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,559
it's on in one of the episodes of the

1716
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,319
podcast

1717
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,960
um now i don't think a big hairy hand

1718
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,160
reached out of the bush

1719
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
and grabbed me i i think whatever i

1720
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,839
experienced was akin to what

1721
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:22,240
people talk about like on ghost hunts

1722
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,119
and stuff where they say you know

1723
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,480
something grabbed my ankle or you know

1724
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:25,680
something pushed me or something like

1725
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:26,319
that

1726
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,079
could feel like the fabric

1727
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:33,200
gather and on my pack and my the the

1728
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,640
straps tighten

1729
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,040
right you know as an instant before i

1730
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,640
was just yanked down with the full

1731
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,920
strength of you know

1732
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,079
like a grown adult male it was it was

1733
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,359
really really rough

1734
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,880
and i whipped around thinking it was the

1735
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:46,480
guy behind me the witness was behind me

1736
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:47,599
i was about to give him a piece of my

1737
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,400
mind

1738
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,720
and uh he was like eight feet behind me

1739
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,520
rolling a cigarette it was not him

1740
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,839
so something you know something pulled

1741
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,720
my pack so

1742
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,559
and we've gone on to have boy i was

1743
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:59,920
there another night there's an old iron

1744
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:00,640
furnace there

1745
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,079
uh big pond furnace right and and i was

1746
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,520
up at big pond furnace and i started

1747
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,200
walking down the road and something

1748
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,359
cracked a tree i mean it just sounded

1749
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,000
like a cabin going off just crack

1750
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,760
and uh turn me right around that night

1751
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:15,760
well we're done tonight

1752
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,880
so yeah but lots of witnesses and and

1753
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,480
i've had a lot of experiences there it's

1754
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:22,319
that michelle is a bananas place

1755
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,319
i'm telling you i uh i have fly fished

1756
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,920
the kind of coat cheek and all in

1757
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:30,960
through there ever since i was a kid

1758
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,760
and i have heard and seen a lot of crazy

1759
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,200
stuff there

1760
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,559
and when people started talking about

1761
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,720
you know misha being a hot spot for

1762
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,480
bigfoot activity

1763
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,440
and other paranormal anomalies uh it

1764
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,440
didn't surprise me whatsoever

1765
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,240
yeah yeah it's a lot going on there very

1766
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,599
very strange places and

1767
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,599
beautiful wonderful place but oh a lot

1768
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:54,799
of weird stuff there

1769
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,240
yeah yeah well you guys have got another

1770
00:58:03,109 --> 00:57:59,520
volume coming up

1771
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,119
a continuation i suppose uh

1772
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,119
when's that supposed to come out

1773
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,280
hopefully before the end of 2020

1774
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,160
are it's looking good i hesitate to give

1775
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,599
that as a firm date just because

1776
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,599
we had so many issues getting volume 1

1777
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,640
out and just like

1778
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,480
problems would creep up and just delay

1779
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:18,640
delay delay but it's looking really good

1780
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,000
that we should have it out

1781
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,960
by by christmas of this year hopefully

1782
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,240
sounds good

1783
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:25,839
well i definitely want you guys to come

1784
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,119
back and talk about it because uh

1785
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,319
i can only imagine what's going to be

1786
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,839
because uh you guys got a tendency to

1787
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,480
like

1788
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,559
you know really grab a lot of different

1789
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,520
information

1790
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,319
like i told you before it's probably

1791
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:43,920
this book has probably got more

1792
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:47,040
stuff in it than i've ever read in a in

1793
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:47,680
a

1794
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,200
lot coming from you

1795
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:57,040
so um you know like i said i'd like for

1796
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,480
you guys to come back and

1797
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,480
thanks again for coming on the show

1798
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,760
thanks for having us

1799
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,480
absolute pleasure you take care now

1800
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,319
thanks

1801
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,920
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1802
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,599
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1803
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,119
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1804
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1805
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1811
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1812
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1814
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1815
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1816
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,480
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1817
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,839
again thank uh

1818
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:44,000
timothy renner and joshua cutchen for

1819
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,680
joining me this evening

1820
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,599
and i want to thank you for listening to

1821
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,720
the show good night

1822
01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:50,799
stay healthy and have a safe and

1823
01:00:13,060 --> 01:00:00,410
enjoyable weekend

1824
01:00:13,070 --> 01:00:26,829
[Applause]

1825
01:00:26,839 --> 01:00:38,120
so

1826
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